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CM,
your knowledge is appreciated here on this tribe, and I want to thank you. I am doing some study and wondered if you had any insights:
In Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra, it mentions Mercury and Ketu in the second house causing asthisraava and Saturn, Rahu and Sun causing Asthijvara. A translator gives broken bones for asthisvara but I cannot find broken as a defination of sraava, instead just "causing to flow/shedding/exuding". Does asthisraava have the sense of broken bones or is it just bone problems in general?
-and jvara is fever, is there a modern equivalent of fever in the bones?
Thanks
your knowledge is appreciated here on this tribe, and I want to thank you. I am doing some study and wondered if you had any insights:
In Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra, it mentions Mercury and Ketu in the second house causing asthisraava and Saturn, Rahu and Sun causing Asthijvara. A translator gives broken bones for asthisvara but I cannot find broken as a defination of sraava, instead just "causing to flow/shedding/exuding". Does asthisraava have the sense of broken bones or is it just bone problems in general?
-and jvara is fever, is there a modern equivalent of fever in the bones?
Thanks
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Re: asthisraava and asthijvara
Mon, April 9, 2007 - 1:26 AMThat is something I will have to refer. My knowledge in jyotisha is pretty limited. Sraava or straava indeed means flowing/shedding/exuding.
Asthi is less likely to 'flow,' but still, if it is mentioned so, maybe that is what it is. Difficult to assess from the symptoms, but we may find this symptom somewhere in the literature or in some patient if we look for it or something similar.
I think I should read it in Deonagri script. I do not have Brihat Parashara samhita, can you scan and upload the page if you have the deonagri version? Could be stransa (dislocation)?
Asthijvara is mentioned in charak samhita and other samhitas also. Modern equivalent could be chikungunya, the epidemic that was prevalent during last monsoon in our areas, and I have seen and treated quite a few of them. Manifests with fever and severe bone and joint pain. Could also be compared with osteomyelits with bone pain and fever.
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Re: asthisraava and asthijvara
Mon, April 9, 2007 - 9:17 AMMedical Jyotish is one of my strengths, the combination that causes the symptom is clear, but what the actual disease is is not clear to me. I don't like to take other translators opinion because most do not have an ayurvedic background and so there are many mistakes on the medical side.
This is the itx of the shloka, (reference for itx at www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sans....html which is what most online sanskrit is in these days):
budhaketuu sthitau tatra tadaa'sthisraavasaMyutaa |
tatrasthaaH shaniraahvarkaastadaa'sthijvarasaMyutaa || 18||
(refering to the second house)
Thanks for the tip on Osteomyelitis, it elucidates the area. I saw one text online mention asthisraava ( www.exoticindiaart.com/book/d...IDG202/ on page 58 and 59 ), I guess I just might have to order it for the small insight, more references are always better anyway.
Thanks again for sharing your insight.
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Re: asthisraava and asthijvara
Mon, April 9, 2007 - 11:38 AMYour post just reminded me of a syndrome referred to in Chinese medicine also called "steaming bone," where there is a sensation of heat/burning in the bone. I guess that might be the equivalent of asthijvara. I love finding the connections between the medicines.
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Re: asthisraava and asthijvara
Mon, April 30, 2007 - 9:01 PMWell today Dr.T L Devaraj's book "Ayurveda: The complete Handbook" arrived. It is a list of many of the classical diseases and the remedies for them: vati, choorna, bhasma, lehya, ghrta, asava/arista, rasa preparation, external applications, anupana or medicine, diet indications and contraindications.
The first section has a chapter on each srota. For asthivaha srota he lists sandhi vata (arthritis), amavata (rheumatoid arthritis), asthisambandha vata roga (Gonorrhoeal rheumatism), athisrava (Chronic gonorrhoea), asthisrava (acute gonorrhoea or ushna vata), and nithmba shulam (lumbago).
I guess I may not understand the Ayurvedic pathology of gonorrhoea as I would think this would be under the mootravaha srota section which contains asmari (urinary stones), moothra krichra (dysurea), mootra kshaya (anuria), mootra shukra, ushna vata, mootra sada, bastikundala, mootra Ghata (Urinary obstruction), basti roga (urinary disease). SO I looked around a bit:
Relative to asthivaha srota I found online: "In very rare cases, gonorrhoea can spread to the whole body through the veins. This results in painful joints, rashes, high temperature, and shivering. In extreme cases, cerebrospinal meningitis and inflammation of the heart might develop. Resistant types of gonorrhoea from certain parts of the world such as Asia and Africa can be particularly difficult to treat."
"In both sexes, disseminated gonococcal infection (DGI) can occur, leading to multiple distant sites of infection which can include the brain, heart and joints. When joints become involved, gonococcal arthritis can develop. Gonococcal arthritis occurs after primary infection of the genitalia, anus, or throat. This occurs in about 1% of patients who are infected with gonorrhea and is more common in women than men. Typical symptoms include a 5-7 day history of fever, shaking, chills, multiple skin lesions, fleeting migratory polyarthralgias and tenosynovitis in fingers, wrists, toes or ankles. "
Relative to the entymology of the word "The term gonorrhea is built from the Greek prefix gono (seed) and suffix rrhea (to flow), and stems from the belief that the discharge contained semen."
Wikipedia says "Gonorrhea (gonorrhoea in British English) is among the most common sexually-transmitted diseases in the world and is caused by Gram-negative bacterium Neisseria gonorrheae. The term comes from Greek γονόρροια (gonórrhoia), literally "flow of seed"; in ancient times it was incorrectly believed that the pus discharge associated with the disease contained semen."
This is very interesting as the sanskrit word sraava means 'to flow' or 'morbid flow or issue' according to Monnier Williams, which relates to the greek meaning.
Now I just need to get a second opinion of this translation of asthisrava.
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