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Okay, so, I have been doing more and more in the clinic internship these days, as well as outside of the clinic for others. This last week I guided and assisted someone through the Virechena panchakarma process, did their abhyanga and swedana for a few days and then created their purgative using triphala, eranda (castor oil) and draksha (raisins). They had a really good purging, which brought a lot out, physically and emotionally.
I haven't done a virechena on myself before, so, I decided now was the time, since I have some pitta excess and it is a good time to clear pitta. I'm on about my 7th day of building up the ghee in my system and this morning I have taken about 8-10 oz! I love ghee, but, wow, is that a lot of ghee to take all at once! Ugggh! Hehe.
I have been eating primarily kicharee this last week.
I will probably be having my abhyanga and swedana from my fellow interns in the next couple of days and then I will take my purgative.
I guess the more you use these things on yourself, the more you absorb the experience to help others. That's my feeling.
I'd love to hear of other's experiences of panchakarma in this tribe.
Best,
Andrew
I haven't done a virechena on myself before, so, I decided now was the time, since I have some pitta excess and it is a good time to clear pitta. I'm on about my 7th day of building up the ghee in my system and this morning I have taken about 8-10 oz! I love ghee, but, wow, is that a lot of ghee to take all at once! Ugggh! Hehe.
I have been eating primarily kicharee this last week.
I will probably be having my abhyanga and swedana from my fellow interns in the next couple of days and then I will take my purgative.
I guess the more you use these things on yourself, the more you absorb the experience to help others. That's my feeling.
I'd love to hear of other's experiences of panchakarma in this tribe.
Best,
Andrew
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Re: Panchakarma
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 11:22 AMThe first time I did pk was before I went to meet the then girlfriend's Guru. During pk and shortly after the best analogy I can come up with is it was like being in your loving mother's arms again, only grown up. The going to see the gf's Guru was wonderful to be in such an environment with a clean vessel.
The second time, a couple of years ago while learning how to be a pancha karma tech, the process got *interupted* by a work related accident or so it seemed at the time.
In retrospect having recently finally gotten around to reading the Medicine Buddha Sutra, it could have been because early on in my pk training while I was at a local Tibetan shop the shop keeper and I were exchanging a few pleasant words. When she heard of my pk studies she recommended adding the Medicine Buddha to my altar, so I did. A couple of months later, I got hurt, the girlfriend and her yogi buddies collectively turned their backs on me and I pretty much had to fend for myself (shattered calcaneus and almost full tear on a rotator cuff - three surgeries, blech!), only being able to muster up enough energy to keep my job and take a lot of rest for a couple of years (chronic pain prisoner).
I can make some pretty good lemonaide and I think the *cleansings* can take on many dimensions especially if the body is already healthy to begin with (both times my body was way younger than its chronological years), and all things considered, life is much better now. I will probably do pk again later this spring in preparation to go see my Lama. -
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Mon, January 29, 2007 - 11:57 PMWhich panchakarma were you doing? Were you also doing the Virechena with the herbal laxatives?
Today, was tough, coz I guess I should have been drinking more hot water to get the ghee to move. I started getting really nauseous. Uggh! Dr. Jayagopal said to drink more hot water to help liquify the ghee that was settled in the stomach and to move it through the system. That helped. It came back again later tonight, so, I drank some ginger tea too. Ah, relief finally. I will be glad when it's over! Haha. I will certainly have sympathy for those going through the process.
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Re: Panchakarma
Tue, January 30, 2007 - 3:22 AMMy teacher recommends doing all of the cleansings no matter what the complaint.
I think you are excessive with your ghee intake, gradually getting up to 1/3-1/2 cup is the max I was taught. -
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Need to add...
Tue, January 30, 2007 - 5:11 AMthat my teacher also recommends taking the ghee over the course of the day since that is the way we absorb things...
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Tue, January 30, 2007 - 9:28 AMThanks for your input!
Hmmm, yes, I guess there are many points of view on the amounts to take and when.
My professor taught us the panchakarma procedure from the classic texts, so, I figured
I would try that out. In that one, you ingest ghee over 7 days, starting with like 1 oz, then 2,
then 3, 4, 6, 8, 10...or something like that. Of course, I understand one has to adjust it
according to one's particular constitution. Maybe 8 oz. was too much for me.
This morning I had really intense lower abdominal cramping that created pain that radiated
to the perineum. I had a small amount of loose stool, but could not release the pain.
So, I used a castor oil pack with a hot heating pad and massaged the abdomen until gas
was released and I eventually found relief.
I'm going in this morning to see the Ayurved doctor. He is going to check my pulses, etc.
and give me his recommendations on how to proceed.
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GACK!
Tue, January 30, 2007 - 11:07 AMAre you sure that isn't one tablespoon on day one, two tablespoons on day two, etc. until day seven with seven tablespoons?
And that you can stop at two tablespoons if taking it makes you gag or you become uncomfortable (or at whatever point that occurs), but definitely continue for the seven days prior to the initial sweat? -
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Re: GACK!
Thu, February 1, 2007 - 11:32 AMYes, one tablespoon (isn't that about an ounce?) and then up progressively,
is what I was doing.
I had no problems with any of the initial ghee for the first six days.
When I got to day 7 it was at about a cup of ghee and then I got nauseous
mainly coz I wasn't drinking the hot water to keep it flowing.
The method I was following was more from the Astanga Hridaya that
Dr. Manjusha Vinjamury had taught us in Panchakarma class about a
year ago.
When I spoke to Dr. Jayagopal, he said he likes to use the method from
the Charak Samhita which starts with a larger amount of ghee, but, over a
shorter period (like 3 days). He said one always has the patient do a test with
one tablespoon of ghee and see how long it takes them to get hungry again.
This determines the power of the agni and how much ghee you can start with.
He said that if I had consulted with him before doing this, he would have recommended
me starting with a larger amount for a shorter period, as my digestive agni is very
strong.
He said you actually don't want the body to digest too much of the ghee, but want it to
flush the system. So, he prefers using the larger amounts for shorter periods, so that
the body can not digest too much of it.
At any rate, my last ghee intake was on the day I took the 8 oz. and I had reached my limit.
I did my abhyanga and sweda over the next two days then followed it yesterday with my purgative
(raisins and triphala cooked together in a cup of water and a tablespoon of castor oil added after and
the whole thing blended into a warm "smoothie."). About 3 and a half hours after taking the decoction
I started having my purges and all went well. I was done in about 3 hours and felt very light and energized
by nightfall. I ingested some warm rice water last night and am doing a gruel of rice and mung bean today.
I'm feeling quite refreshed today. :o) Yay!
Best,
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Unsu...
Re: GACK!
Thu, February 1, 2007 - 1:06 PMThree (3) Tablespoons = One (1) Ounce
My teacher is old fashioned, only one type of treatment per week - which includes the week of ghee ingestion (a week to allow the ghee to saturate the cells) - holding to the notion that this is gentler on the body as well as allows for the possibility of adjustments to the initial diagnosis. -
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Re: GACK!
Sun, February 4, 2007 - 11:09 AMHmmm, a week to allow the ghee to saturate...interesting. When you say he is old-fashioned, does that mean that this particular protocol is based on a certain procedure in the classic texts? I would like to read up more on that approach.
Best,
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Re: GACK!
Sun, February 4, 2007 - 4:08 PMI don't know the exact source(s) of my teacher's training only that my teacher spent a lot of time in India studying a long time ago, that due to a lack of texts much of the reference material my teacher used was typed by work study students and that my teacher rubs elbows with some of those folks supplementing their income writing ayurveda books.
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Re: GACK!
Sun, February 25, 2007 - 1:26 AMMost sources I've ever seen list 2 Tbs. (about 15 gm., depending on substance) as being roughly 1 oz. . This is an average for both liquids and powders. Is this 3:1 (Tbs:oz) a ratio specific for ghee from some source? -
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Eeeep!
Sun, February 25, 2007 - 4:32 AMI stand corrected...
www.iagora.com/itravel/to...actors.html
3 tsp = 1 Tbsp
2 Tbsp = 1 oz
(No wonder i dropped out of cooking skule.)
Thanks!
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